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Title: Pain management
Post by: eija on January 26, 2013, 04:50:45 PM
I guess you've all heard the remedy for hangover: Place a stick under your toenail and kick it against the wall.

I tried something similar to my worsening sjs aches today: Wrestled with my 500 kg horse so that my arm was bruised against a door frame. Now it looks as if I had acquired a new muscle: Like half an egg under the nasty purple-bluish skin. And yeah, it hurts. More than my achy shoulders - but I don't think it helps me to sleep on my side tonight either  ;D
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Joe S. on January 26, 2013, 07:23:59 PM
Can you charge your horse with abuse and divorce it? Remember RICE.
R- Rest
I- Ice
C-
E- Exercise
Sorry brain fog. I may have it wrong. It was in my head before I started typing. Argh!
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Ark mom on January 26, 2013, 08:42:16 PM
Compression!  :)

I think "elevation" too. 

Ouch, that does not sound pleasant.  My mom has about twenty horses.  They scare me!
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Joe S. on January 27, 2013, 05:18:32 AM
Do not hold your breath that makes the pain worse. So breath.
Meditation can help reduce pain
Reflexology can direct endorphins to reduce pain
Carrot juice has everything your body needs to make endorphins. In fact you can get high on it.
An aspirin may help thin your blood to prevent clots. 
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: olmphoto2 on January 27, 2013, 06:17:20 AM
Yes, Joe and Ark Mom:  Rest, ice, compression and elevation
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: olmphoto2 on January 27, 2013, 06:22:27 AM
One good explanation, alternatives and related articles regarding RICE can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RICE_%28medicine%29
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Scottietottie on January 27, 2013, 08:16:09 AM
Ouch eija!!  :o

That sounds painful! I hear where you are coming from. My broken arm has pushed my SjS symptoms to the back of my mind recently.

I hope you feel better soon but I think you maybe need to get it looked at.

Take care - Scottie  :)
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: eija on January 27, 2013, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on January 26, 2013, 07:23:59 PM
Can you charge your horse with abuse and divorce it?


Heh, nah, I like her too much to "divorce" her. Today the girls were speed-riding her and oh my she was fast! And again, during their galloping I forgot my pain - almost wanted to go myself, too :)


The arm is better already - it's just a nasty bruise that will take some time to heal. Ark Mom, I used to be afraid of horses, too, and it wasn't that long ago (less than five years) and now I have a horse of my own! Horses are my "therapists" and they're awesome in that job :) Would love to see your mom's herd...
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Joe S. on January 27, 2013, 05:26:09 PM
Horses are excellent therapists! Is your horse a Clydesdale or a Belgian? They are a nice size for riding. The others just seem a little small when I sit on them.
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Ark mom on January 27, 2013, 08:55:44 PM
Eija, there is one horse, I call it the "joke horse", who is merely 24 inches tall, a minature.  She bought it for my little girls to ride.  You cannot help but crack up looking at it because it is so small.

Most of her horses are rescues from abusers or mustangs who were going to slaughter.  She bought a couple of them to ride for fun.  She did break a couple of the mustangs, and those are ridable as well.   
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: eija on January 28, 2013, 09:31:21 AM
Joe they indeed are :) Mine is an unknown breed from Lithuania, probably a mixture of a half- or thoroughbred and a cold one. She's not heavy but sturdy enough and beautifully built, 153 cm (about 15 hands). Clydesdales and Belgians are beautiful, too.


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8215/8424562000_b02de86737_m.jpg) This is my younger daughter riding her last weekend :)


Ark mom, those miniature horses are soooooo cute :) But they say that the rider must be under 25 kg, they can't carry more. Rescue mustangs? Ooooohhhh... My mare is sort of a rescue too, because she was going crazy when being a riding school horse: She needed to be one person's horse so I bought her a year ago. I often wonder where would she be now with all her problems if I wouldn't have fallen in love with her...



Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Joe S. on January 28, 2013, 02:11:36 PM
Great Picture.
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Ark mom on January 28, 2013, 08:09:43 PM
Eija, love the photo!  Oh, yes, my little girls are 3 and 5 years old, much under the 25kg weight limit.  She has several other horses in the line up for when they outgrow the mini.  LOL! 
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: engy on January 29, 2013, 02:58:01 AM
Beautiful picture, thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: slccom on January 30, 2013, 12:28:29 AM
The miniature horses are being used as assistive animals. They live so much longer than dogs that they are really valuable.

If I wasn't allergic to the darned things, I think I could have gotten into horses. Of course, dogs are much more portable.
Sharon
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: MaryBee7 on January 30, 2013, 02:20:27 AM
Eija, two things:  what a wonderful photo!  and have you tried a TENS unit for pain?  I use mine so much now.  One of the "comfort" parts of my day is taking a nap with the TENS going on a slow pulse.  I use it mainly on neck/shoulder area. 
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Diamond~Diva on March 09, 2013, 01:32:16 PM
For muscle aches I love to put a drop of lavender oil on a cloth and have a hot shower, not too hot. but the heat and steam activate the oil and you get a soothing & aromatherapy shower. If you have a bath stool like I do its even better as you can sit down for it..  :)
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: eija on March 10, 2013, 01:39:31 PM
My pains are - most of the time - very mild and I don't even take painkillers for them. The bruise incident just reminded me of the "hangover medicine" that replaces one pain with another one  ;D

MaryBee - TENS? No idea what that is?

Diamond Diva - Your suggestion sounds very romantic :) However, I have a problem with a shower: I'm almost scared of it because I always itch so bad after it, no matter what I do. Also, I'm very sensitive to all kinds of smells, they give me a migraine and some of them cause breathing problems. And lavender is one of the annoying ones...  :-[

slccom: Yeah, I've seen a program of a small pony (it was a very small pony, not a miniature horse) working as an assistive animal. It had small sneakers for safer walking at malls :D The longer life-expectancy isn't the only advantage they have: Their eating is cheaper than dogs and also, they naturally choose ramps over stairs whereas dogs couldn't care less wich one to choose. For me horses have been a real lifesavers on many levels <3

Like today, I was all kaputt after spending the entire day on a fair/trade exhibition yesterday (I slept about 12 hours but felt like a dead woman with 50 kg of led hanging from each limb). I somehow managed to drag myself to the stable with my girl, spent an hour there brushing the horsie in the sunny winter air and felt LOADS better and happier after that.
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Joe S. on March 10, 2013, 06:16:25 PM
Tens is an electronic device to stimulate endorphin in your system. You can adjust the frequency, pulse width and amplitude of the output wave form.
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: stillinshockwithsjogrens on March 10, 2013, 08:03:18 PM
I too, endorse using a TENS unit.  I got mine from HSN, under $90, battery operated.  You'd think that batteries would be too weak to make a difference, but I get the same results from this unit as I did from the big pro units at the physical therapists.  I use mine often for my hip and shoulder.
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: odie on March 11, 2013, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: eija on March 10, 2013, 01:39:31 PM

Diamond Diva - Your suggestion sounds very romantic :) However, I have a problem with a shower: I'm almost scared of it because I always itch so bad after it, no matter what I do. Also, I'm very sensitive to all kinds of smells, they give me a migraine and some of them cause breathing problems. And lavender is one of the annoying ones...  :-[


eija,

Your comment about itching badly after a shower (Aquagenic Pruritus) caught my attention.  I know there has to be many reasons for it but one I know in particular.  For people with a myeloproliferative disorder such as mine, itching after a shower (or any water exposure) is one of the hallmark symptoms.  I have polycythemia vera which means I make too many blood cells.  I'm just wondering if you have ever had high blood counts on your CBC which measures the whites, reds, and platelets.  If you ever have had a high hematocrit or platelets, it would be worth checking into it further.  The itching has to do with the basophils in the whites.  But that could happen to people without my blood disorder.  Look up Aquagenic Pruritus and you'll see Polycythemia Vera as one of the culprits.

Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Diamond~Diva on March 11, 2013, 10:24:35 PM
Eija
The skin sensitivity must be horrible. I get neuralgic pain on my face and the back of my neck, that is horrible. I do have a Tens machine I don't use it as much as I should. Eija for itching have you tried the Aveeno products. I use the body wash and body lotion. it has a soothing agent in it for itch. also Gold Bond is great. but Aveeno doesn't have the smell that GB has lol. I'm in major pain today. We went to a Great Big Sea concert and it was brilliant. But everyone was standing, stomping clapping and singing etc. all night. So I had to join in of course. Well my almost bone on bone knees didn't like it one bit. I've been walking as my Sister would say. Like a zombie. because I was having problems bending my knees so just walked around stiff as a board all day lol.  Doesn't help that we are moving the end of April and my stress level is right up there as I hate moving with a passion.. Glad when its over and done with...
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: eija on March 14, 2013, 06:15:10 AM
Thanks all, again. Have to think about the TENS, apparently there are at least some models available in affordable prices.

Diamond Diva - my dad had an episode of trineuralgia pain on his face. Not sure what they did to get it under control but before that they even considered a surgery (which would've resulted in a drooping face) and he lost a lot of weight because he just couldn't eat. About Aveeno - it seems it's not available in Finland :(

As for your concert, I know the feeling :( I haven't ridden my horse in almost six months but yesterday and the day before that I did, and boy am I sore! Yes, it's normal to be sore after new kind of excercise but what people don't seem to understand that with Sjögren's that soreness is quite something else. Plus it enforces the "normal" aches, too! This morning my upper arms were pretty much killing me and I had a nasty migraine, too. And even the 1200 mg ibuprofein for the migraine did not take away the pain from my back- and front ribs. But the riding still was worth it and I can't wait to do it again  ;D

Odie - so far nothing seems to help the after-shower-itching, but time. It stops eventually but before that - ouch! Antihistamine, different lotions, hydrocortisone cream... nothing helps. The itching is just like it said about aquagenic pruritus (I took only a quick look), the itching really is "intense, pricking-like itching". Have to look into it more, thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Momedic on April 07, 2013, 06:17:38 AM
R- Rest
I- Ice
C- Compression
E-Elevation

Joe, Just thought I would finish the thought for you... (had a little help from my hubby! LOL)
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: Suslew on May 07, 2013, 07:25:48 PM
Eija,
She's a beautiful horse!  And a lovely daughter!  Hope your bruise heals quickly.  Maybe some time in the sauna would help?  ;D Just kidding!
Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: quietdynamics on May 08, 2013, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: eija on January 26, 2013, 04:50:45 PM
... Now it looks as if I had acquired a new muscle: Like half an egg under the nasty purple-bluish skin. And yeah, it hurts. More than my achy shoulders - but I don't think it helps me to sleep on my side tonight either  ;D

An old fashioned method I used for my children when they fell off bicycles and bruised or hit their head and got a bump was 'witch hazel". Son was little fell off bike and his head hit the edge of the curb...quickly grew an bump, the witch hazel on a cloth while sitting on the mommy lap took the swelling right down and barely a bruise. I was surprised. After those types of things, my son would bring his little friends home to me if they got hurt... ;)
So that and / or an Epson salt bath (with candles  ;) )

Still missing the Haflingers when I hear your stories. The Haflinger was the horse I trusted to put the special needs student (who was in a wheelchair) on, the horse was mellow and solid.
There was a miniature named Molly, almost pure black, she had one brown eye and one blue...she was for the little children (they did not know she was a 'nipper' and was more fun when she was pulling a cart on a lead.
I would walk the cart under a strand of tree with low branches, telling the children...be alert, we are entering the woods, get ready to duck...they were so cute. Their eyes woud get so big with wonder. What will we see? I would ask them...so adorable.

A shame I lost all my photos on my old computer...but they are in my heart.

Haflinger (http://www.wynonabrown.net/New_Folder/haflinger-teich-12.jpg)
The average weight of a Haflinger is 1,050 pounds. Favorite time was the taking for a drink in the creek...a net photo I found.

Title: Re: Pain management
Post by: eija on May 13, 2013, 04:59:28 PM
Hah, the former bruises have healed but now I have new ones. My doc today rolled her eyes seeing my hands: Two thirds of the back of my left hand all greenish-bluish-something. The same with maybe a third of my right forearm. Both upper arms have small bruises. And my throat is sore (I hit it against a metal bar) and my voice is coarse because of that. But I'm okay - the pony is just a whee bit of a challenge to load and we had to visit the clinic  ;D

I love how all horses have their own personalities, if only you bother getting to know them.

Witch hazel - had to look that up, didn't know what it meant. Found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hazel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hazel)

QuoteThe leaves and bark of the North American Witch-hazel Hamamelis virginiana may be used to produce an astringent, also referred to as witch hazel, and is used medicinally. This plant extract was widely used for medicinal purposes by American Indians and is a component of a variety of commercial healthcare products.

It's mainly used externally on sores, bruises, and swelling. Witch hazel hydrosol is used in skin care. It is a strong anti-oxidant and astringent, which makes it very useful in fighting acne. It is often used as a natural remedy for psoriasis, eczema, aftershave applications, ingrown nails, to prevent sweating of the face, cracked or blistered skin, for treating insect bites,poison ivy, and as a treatment for varicose veins and hemorrhoids. It is found in numerous over-the-counter hemorrhoid preparations. It is recommended to women to reduce swelling and soothe wounds resulting from childbirth.