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Title: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: itssue on October 10, 2011, 09:26:23 AM
I don't remember when I posted last, it's been a long while.  I see so many new members and alot of those  familiar ones.   I hope to catch up on all of you and become an active member again.   So, for now, it's great to be back.

Sue
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Joe S. on October 10, 2011, 10:24:16 AM
Welcome back Sue.
Title: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: nancylee on October 10, 2011, 10:57:33 AM
Hello Everyone.  Its been pretty much a non issue lately with me. I am still on weekly blood test and I am actually STABLE. ( NICE WORD!) Nothing is ever normal but stable abnormal is fine with me.

I think I am going onto a flair. I have nose sores, moth sores, white fingers, tired tired tired. I am SO MAD at my doctor. I am taking a sabbacial again. No meds, no doctors, no reading. I am trying like crazy to find the name of the medication she wanted me to start> Basically, it was used in the japan war to sterilize young women...

HOW MESSED UP IS THAT????
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Joe S. on October 10, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
That is interesting since there is a story that all AI diseases were created by the Japanese during WWII.
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Cheryl on October 10, 2011, 01:54:45 PM
Hi Sue!  I've missed you!  I'm glad to see you posting, and I hope you're doing well.
Cheryl
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Carolina on October 10, 2011, 04:34:50 PM
WB Sue,

Can't wait to read what you have to say.

Hugs

Elaine
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: lynnmarie219 on October 10, 2011, 04:38:50 PM
Hi Sue,

Glad to have you back!  :)
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Bucky on October 10, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
Hi Sue - welcome back.   :)

Bucky
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Meld256 on October 11, 2011, 02:10:40 AM
Welcome back, Sue!  ;)

nancylee,
Glad to see you back, too.  :D
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: nancylee on October 11, 2011, 09:29:48 AM
Joe,  can you expand on that comment about AI and Japan? That is very interesting. I am trying to google and I am not finding anything...
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Joe S. on October 11, 2011, 01:46:21 PM
Most of the story has been pulled from the web in the USA. The most recent article was in "Nexus" magazine out of Australia a few years ago. I came across it in the early 1960's in I believe "Mechanics Illustrated" or maybe it was "Popular Mechanix".

During WWII a Japanese researcher was trying to develop a biological weapon that would that would disable the enemy. He experimented on POW's. What he came up with was 16 forms of L-form Bacteria that could create over 64 forms of Auto Immune diseases. It takes two L-form bacteria to get one AI disease.

The war ended as he was trying to find a form that was contagious. He hit upon the idea of using childhood viruses as carriers. He thought the US would tag him for war crimes so he defected to China. While in China, he and his assistant continued research on the Chinese people.

He died in China and his assistant fearing death from the Chinese he had been working for defected to the US in 1963. The article that I saw they said it was quite good that he defected to the US and they were going to continue to develop the technology.

The "Nexus" article reported that Chicken pox and Mumps were used as carriers and it was distributed among 100 cities in North America and samples were sent off to US allies. I the US, the CDC was used to check the progress of the diseases. They knew that it would take years or decades to pull results from the release.

The "Nexus" article was pulled from the web. All other articles related to it with more background information have been pulled from the web in the US. Here we have a 50 year secrecy law. Other countries are longer. Documentation is no longer available on the web. Most libraries do not house magazines more than five years.

So as things sit now without the documentation of 5 or 10 years ago, this is just another conspiracy story. I do find it interesting that the Lister Institute published related information on L-form bacteria about 100 years ago. Most researcher will not pursue this track of research because of lack of funds and ridicule from contemporaries.
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: smallfry on October 11, 2011, 02:25:58 PM
Hi itssue,
Pleased to meet you Sue and welcome back.
Joe i found your post extremly interesting Thankyou.
Cheryl
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: nancylee on October 13, 2011, 11:07:10 AM
Joe, that could be the most interesting thing I have read on this site. ( no offense anyone) Even the fact that its cant be varified is EXCITING! I am going to pass this along like its my story!

I love a good mystery! I am going to ask my doctor if she ever heard of this. The drug the Doctor suggested is QUINACRINE. Thats a scarey drug!
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Joe S. on October 13, 2011, 12:37:32 PM
A repository library may keep things for 50 years. Some magazines have been scanned and are on line.

These tow articles could be found on the web last month.
The Popular Science article "The Cell from heck" will provide interesting reading.

The Discover article "The Insanity Virus" I believe is also related. This may indicate why two L-form bacteria are required for you to have an AI disease.

For those that take Alpha or R-Lipoic Acid and Acetyl L Carnitine, from an article in LifeExtension magazine (Nov 2011) you may want to look at PQQ.
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: season on October 13, 2011, 09:06:02 PM
OK Joe, you have my curiosity now as usual. What is PQQ? and why would we want to read this article if we are taking ALA and ALC? Thank for all the information, I read what you post with interest.

itssue......So glad for you to be back.
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Joe S. on October 14, 2011, 05:23:27 AM
As you may know, ALC repairs damage to the mitochondria DNA, ALA or RLA removes the debris from the repair.
PQQ reverses mitochondria decay. It stimulates the brain to produce healthy new Mitochondria. PQQ stimulates the natural production of Nerve Growth Factor which triggers growth and branching of nerve cells. PQQ show promise in  stimulating brain and nerve tissue to heal itself. It helps to heal damage from strokes, and decline from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

There were two pages of micro type citations for the 5 page article in LifeExtension magazine.

The purported benefits of pyrroloquinoline quinone (PQQ) supplementation include:

    An overall improvement in energy levels
    Improved cognitive function and memory
    Reduction in mitochondrial degradation
    Increased skin elasticity
    Neuro-protectant
    Cardio-protectant
    Enhanced nerve growth

10-20 mg appear to be dosage. I am not finding information on side effects, Drug interaction or withdrawal. All the information I have found is on animal studies.
Title: Re: I'm B A C K !!!!!!!
Post by: Narablueeyes on October 17, 2011, 07:26:11 PM
Quote from: Joe S. on October 14, 2011, 05:23:27 AM
As you may know, ALC repairs damage to the mitochondria DNA, ALA or RLA removes the debris from the repair.
PQQ reverses mitochondria decay. It stimulates the brain to produce healthy new Mitochondria. PQQ stimulates the natural production of Nerve Growth Factor which triggers growth and branching of nerve cells. PQQ show promise in  stimulating brain and nerve tissue to heal itself. It helps to heal damage from strokes, and decline from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

There were two pages of micro type citations for the 5 page article in LifeExtension magazine.

The purported benefits of pyrroloquinoline quinone (PQQ) supplementation include:

    An overall improvement in energy levels
    Improved cognitive function and memory
    Reduction in mitochondrial degradation
    Increased skin elasticity
    Neuro-protectant
    Cardio-protectant
    Enhanced nerve growth

10-20 mg appear to be dosage. I am not finding information on side effects, Drug interaction or withdrawal. All the information I have found is on animal studies.

I've been reading up on this PQQ at http://pyrroloquinoline-quinone.com/pqq-info/supplement/
VERY INTERESTING!!!  This looks very promising!!! I've never heard of this before.  CoQ10 yes, but this has piqued my interest BIG TIME!!