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Title: the flu vaccination
Post by: annken on October 02, 2011, 10:59:17 PM
amidst fears of yet another pandemic we in ireland are advised to get the flu jab this winter.  it is supposed to be a dead virus jab but still i worry for my immune system.
i have at least four or five autoimmune diseases and i would hate the immune system to be naughty and do something bad to my my body if i get it!
what is the forums take on this one please.
xan
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: LizPetillo on October 03, 2011, 03:39:45 AM
Some people swear by flu shots ... others swear at them.
I don't take them.  I don't trust big pharma.
But I'm a paranoid conspiracist ... so you have to take that into account.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: gurs on October 03, 2011, 03:55:04 AM
I would never in a million years get any type of vaccine...i had problems as a child with them, and not so sure it didnt set off my autoimmune to begin with, just my thoughts though. I have trouble tolerating any type of medication etc as well..so not for me.

Gursie
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: mshistory on October 03, 2011, 04:31:23 AM
I'm a big believer in vaccines - we get our flu vaccines every year, and I'm also going to ask my rheumatologist about getting the pneumonia vaccine as well. I've never had an issue with a vaccine other than running a fever after getting the DTaP booster back in high school  :)
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Cheryl on October 03, 2011, 05:03:11 AM
Annken,
Both my gp and my rheumy remind me to get a flu shot every year.  Except for bruising of the arm, I have no problems from it.  Actually catching the virus would likely keep me sick for weeks, so I think it's a good risk for me.  Have you asked your doctor's advice?
Cheryl
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Jenny on October 03, 2011, 05:04:06 AM
A flu shot was a requirement of my Rheumatologist before she would prescribe Plaquenil.  She had her nurse give me one before I left with the prescription. I had no problems from it at all.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: stephL on October 03, 2011, 05:19:47 AM
I'm a questioner and doubter when it comes to vaccines. The safety and effectiveness of vaccines has not been proven in healthy people. Vaccines fail to provide immunity for a certain percentage of people and a certain percentage have adverse reactions ranging from mild to disabling and they even cause some deaths. As far as I know, the safety and effectiveness of vaccines have not been studied at all in people with Sjogrens. And gurs, I too have wondered if vaccines could be a contributing factor in the development of autoimmune disease. Bottom line is that I don't want to take the risk of having my immune system being stimulated. I think that the goal of medical researchers should be to find better treatments for infection, instead of tinkering around with the immune systems of healthy people. Sorry for the rant! :D
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Jellyb on October 03, 2011, 05:46:04 AM
Hi Annken,
I am yet another that has a problem with the flu vaccine.
It was discovered that I am allergic to thimerosol which is a mercury based preservative in the seasonal flu vaccine ( not in the flu mist ) and I am also allergic to eggs. But even if I did not have those allergies I still would not take it. I am just to sensitive.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: susan on October 03, 2011, 08:12:27 AM

I started taking the flu vaccine when I was in nursing school & with the exception of one year, have not stopped.
The one year I skipped, I managed to contract influenza, and was ill with the usual symptoms---high fever, pain, weakness, etc. Took about a month to feel "normal".  So, went back to it & continue it.
Some feel that for those on immunosuppressive meds, the vaccine may be less effective.

Like everything else with autoimmune disease, we have to do what is best for ourselves.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Carebear on October 03, 2011, 08:16:42 AM
I get vaccinated every year...have been since I began working for the school board over a decade ago.  As Cheryl said, I want to reduce my risk of becoming seriously ill from the flu.

But it is an individual decision.  And we are certainly used to making those routinely aren't we?  ;)
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: A66eyroad on October 03, 2011, 08:21:38 AM
I've taken the vaccine every year since being required to when I worked in a nursing home.

I flare out of control with a simple cold --- I can't imagine what I would do with the flu!   :P
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Patze on October 03, 2011, 08:53:17 AM
I just started getting the flu and pneumonia shots last year, and will keep getting them if it means not having to deal with either of them this year. 

Good luck in your decision -


Patze
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: lillibelle on October 03, 2011, 02:09:45 PM

I'm like Gursie & Jellyb.  Had one vaccine when I was about nine years old and could not move my arm for a week but it left no permanent problem.  Then, had the flu shot 16 years ago, again could not move my arm for about one week but, this time, was left with some permanent nerve pain.

My brother had GBS as a teenager and has been advised to never receive the flu vaccine.  Think it set off a similar chemical cascade of inflammation in my body.  (I've also had Bell's Palsy twice ~ thankfully no permanent problems.)  My other siblings do receive it and have had no adverse reactions from it.  SInce the episode 16 years ago, my children have not received the flu vaccine.  It is a tough call. 

As a school teacher, I was very worried when some states sought to make this vaccination mandatory.

Peace,
Lilli
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: jazzlover on October 03, 2011, 02:16:23 PM
NO WAY, JAKE!! Won't do it.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Pisces24 on October 03, 2011, 04:56:48 PM
All my doctors want me to get the flu shot. I have to be sure to get the "dead" one though - not the live virus one.

Not sure how much good it will do.  Had it one year and a couple months later got the flu. But maybe if I didn't have it, it would have been worse? And I don't think I make very many antibodies. I remember taking some test where "normal" folks made 14 antibodies. I make TWO.  But durn those two are working their tails off.  ;D ;)

I work for a large corporation and usually (this yr too) they have a flu shot clinic set up for us at work on the 5th floor. It is free to us and I think $15 if we want a spouse to get it. So it is nice they are doing this as they have a very strict unscheduled time off (like when you are sick) policy. That is why I have the FMLA.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: susanep on October 03, 2011, 05:14:13 PM
I have not decided yet whether I will get one or not. I guess I will have to ask my new rhuemys thoughts on it, and go from there.

I haven't taken one for the past two years. Early this year I got a bad stomach flu. My regular gp said that is what it was. He said it just attacked my stomach instead of the other. It was terrible.l

susanep :)
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Luna on October 03, 2011, 08:24:03 PM
My son and I have been getting the flu vaccination ever sinse he was born. Last year I didn't get us in for it. My son got the flu twice that season. Poor kid.. It was awful. I didnt get it thank goodness. I heard that even with the vaccination you can still get the flu, but it is not as bad. We are going this thursday to get ours..

Luna
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: jmkboyer on October 03, 2011, 08:55:58 PM
I received a flu vaccination for 15 years straight.  Then last year, when I was trying to figure out why my body was breaking down, I didn't get one.  Sure enough I tested positive for influenza B.  It kicked my butt.  I agree with those who said it took almost a month to feel better.  So I'm back on the flu shot band wagon again.

But we all have our own stories, don't we?

MB
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: irish on October 04, 2011, 05:32:06 PM
Ihave aboaut 5 autoimmune disease plus severe t-cell deficiency and I have been getting the attenutated or "dead" flu virus shot for about 20 years without any problem.

I am a person with a lot of allergies but this has not bothered me. I also had the pneumonia vaccine. It has to be your choice cause you have to live with the consequences either way. Irish ;D
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Johnson on October 04, 2011, 08:21:39 PM
I am very pro vaccine unless you have a known allergy.

My uncle contracted Polio as a child & would give anyone here an earful who is against them.

That being said I would listen to your rheumy and not get your information from google on this one:)  (Not unless you are willing to actually read real research instead of people's opinions.)

I get all of mine.  While I do think it temporarily weakens my crummy immune system more, it is MORE important that someone with a weakened immune system has the most possible defenses against illness.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: eyeamdry on October 04, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
My rheumy gives me a flu shot if I am at her office any time they begin to give them timewise.  Otherwise, my hubby and I will go to our GP or one of the nursing stations.  I have had the flu shot for many years now and I can't remember maybe only one time I got the flu during the "flu season."  It is a very individual decision. 
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: annken on October 06, 2011, 01:15:21 PM
i got it the day before yesterday and no reaction whatsoever, not even a sore arm!
ann
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Nancy60 on October 06, 2011, 06:15:55 PM
I get the flu shot every year and have since I started working as a PT in the mid 80's, no problem from it other than a little bit of a sore arm.  The one year I was out of work I didn't get one and was sick with cough, body aches, fever over 101 for almost 2 weeks and took another 4-5 weeks to fully recover.  I didn't have health insurance other than catastrophic illness at the time, so didn't go to the doctor, it was terrible, I have never been so sick as that.  I also started havign the joint pain, fatigue, skin rash issues not too long after that, always wondered if that illness triggered the autoimmune stuff in me. 

It is a personal decision and you need to do what is best for you.  You know how your body handles illnesses, etc... best.  Talk to your Rheumy to get their advice for you personally too.

Nancy
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: jazzlover on October 06, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
I can't believe so many here are pro-vaccine. Do you guys know what is IN THAT SHOT!!? It's full of &^%%#!

Flu shot ingredients:

Vaccine Fillers and Ingredients

In addition to the viral and bacterial RNA or DNA that is part of the vaccines, vaccine fillers and ingredients include:

aluminum hydroxide
aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate
amphotericin B
animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
betapropiolactone
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde (EMBALMING FLUID)
formalin
gelatin
glycerol
human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
hydrolized gelatin
monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin
neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator
phenoxyethanol (ANTIFREEZE)
potassium diphosphate
potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B
polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80
porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins
sorbitol
sucrose
thimerosal (MERCURY)
tri(n)butylphosphate,
VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: mshistory on October 06, 2011, 06:59:12 PM
Actually, only the multi-vial doses of flu shots contain thimerosal. Single dose vials and the flu mist do not contain thimerosal. Regardless, there is no evidence that it is harmful in such minute amounts. We breathe in so many more chemicals each day and eat so much more contaminated food products each day that I have never understood the concern over the tiny amounts of chemicals in vaccines (that save lives). JMO.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: jazzlover on October 06, 2011, 08:04:23 PM
Isn't the flu mist the LIVE virus?

Having had Lyme disease, there is no way I will ever succumb to a vaccine unless forced. It could throw me right back into being sick again.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: irish on October 06, 2011, 09:39:30 PM
Like I said, it is a personal choice. I know that these vaccines contain a lot of "junk" but the fact is they do help protect you. I had the Hong Kong flu when I was in Junior High and I don't remember much of 7 days. I ran a 104 fever for many days.

This is back when the doctors made house calls and my folks even called the doctor 2 times to come and see me. I think I got medication and a penicillin shot. I was never so sick in my life and it pretty much took a month or so to get over.

If I got a severe flu now with all these autoimmune stuff it would probably drop me in my tracks and hubby would be picking out a casket. Therefore,my choice is to get the vaccine. I was quite uneasy about it the first time but lived through it. They say that people can get Guillain B. from it, but you can also get the Guillain B. virus (French polio is another name for it) from many viral infections that you catch from others.

There is not the perfect answer to this question. We all have to do what we feel is best. This also includes the decisions that parents have to make about vaccinations these days. They are giving, what I feel, is way too many vaccinations to these little kids these days. Especially when they are so young.

My big problem is the fact that they quit doing the small pox vaccination. I wish they would rethink that one as I think it will come back to haunt the world. Too bad some scientist can't come up with a safer vaccination for that disease. Irish ;D
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: smallfry on October 06, 2011, 11:20:48 PM
I am a firm believer in the flu vax I have been having it for the past 15 years without any problems at all.

I have been told by a fellow sjogrens suffer that she only had very mild symptoms of sjogrens for quite a number of years until she had a very bad dose of flu, she feels that it made her condition considerably worse.

It was most likely just a coincidence.

For me I will continue with my flu shots yearly because the bugs every year appear to be getting worse.

Cheryl
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: buddybelle on October 08, 2011, 05:01:26 PM
I just got my flu vaccine today! I have multiple immune disorders and very low white blood cell count, but my doctors insist I get one every year. I have never had a negative reaction.
Everyone has to figure out their own risk vs. benefit ratio when deciding about vaccines and meds. The decisions are never easy!
Buddybelle
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: liv4ever on October 08, 2011, 05:30:34 PM
i fear vaccines with all the autism, I hopefully wont have another baby to have to deal with that all over again.  Very stressful to parents.  My kids had all their requires immunizations, but i no longer get them the flu vaccine..  My childern were the first diagnosed with the swine flu at their school a couple years ago, my husband also got it.  They were sick like a normal virus, lasted 4-7 days.  That seems normal for any virus to run its course.  I did not get it however, which confuses me, none of us got the shot for it or any flu...except my husband he is a firefighter, he has too.  And he cant be bothered with all the hype either,  he just does what he is told.  I am more skeptical.
I am on the fence.  sigh~
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: jazzlover on October 08, 2011, 07:03:42 PM
http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/10/06/flu-vaccine-pushed-despite-nerve-disease-link/
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: gold55 on October 08, 2011, 07:21:14 PM
I was planning on getting my shot at work although I only started getting them the last three years and it did cross my mind that after the one including flu and H1N1......poof, got diagnosed with Sjogrens! and who knows what else is to come!  But, the virus is dead....and I was reconsidering until Jazzlover layed out all the wonderful animal parts and fluids included in the vaccine.......geesh...pigs, cows, dogs, chickens, rabbits!  I don't think there were any snake byproducts in there...geesh I don't know if I want it now :(   
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: jazzlover on October 08, 2011, 07:26:46 PM
My PCP, who is an Internal Medicine doctor, gives the flu shots for those who want them, but he himself does not believe in them. He even has a posting in his exam rooms about the negatives. But I know they do a lot of shots. He has quite a few elderly patients.

My former Lyme specialist never recommended the shots either. I don't want to jinx myself and tell you how well I've managed WITHOUT the flu shots!  ;)
Title: Re: the flu vaccination-from the Sjogrens Foundation Newsletter
Post by: gold55 on October 09, 2011, 07:07:54 AM
The Sjögren’s Syndrome Foundation feels it is too early to respond in
any official capacity to the question about whether Sjögren’s patients
should receive the H1N1 “swine flu”,vaccine. The vaccine is still being
tested and is expected to be available in the fall, so we will all learn more
in the near future. The SSF recommends that patients consult with their
doctors and frequently check the CDC H1N1 page (http://www.cdc.gov/
H1N1FLU/) which is updated weekly with the latest information.
The SSF also reminds patients to consider receiving the standard flu vaccine
(“flu shot”) that is currently available from their physician or pharmacist.
For those under Medicare Part B, the standard flu shot is fully covered by
Medicare once a year during the fall or winter.
Elaine Alexander, MD, PhD
Chair of the SSF’s Medical and Scientific Advisory Board
Title: Re: the flu vaccination-from the Sjogrens Foundation Newsletter
Post by: mshistory on October 09, 2011, 07:36:29 AM
The Sjögren’s Syndrome Foundation feels it is too early to respond in
any official capacity to the question about whether Sjögren’s patients
should receive the H1N1 “swine flu”,vaccine. The vaccine is still being
tested and is expected to be available in the fall, so we will all learn more
in the near future. The SSF recommends that patients consult with their
doctors and frequently check the CDC H1N1 page (http://www.cdc.gov/
H1N1FLU/) which is updated weekly with the latest information.
The SSF also reminds patients to consider receiving the standard flu vaccine
(“flu shot”) that is currently available from their physician or pharmacist.
For those under Medicare Part B, the standard flu shot is fully covered by
Medicare once a year during the fall or winter.
Elaine Alexander, MD, PhD
Chair of the SSF’s Medical and Scientific Advisory Board

It's my understanding that there is no separate H1N1 vaccine this year - that strain should be part of the normal flu vaccine now, so if you receive an annual flu shot, you should also be vaccinated against this particular strain.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: engy on October 09, 2011, 07:39:45 AM
Jazzlover,
Interesting, my integrative recommends the flu shots but not others. She only recommends them for certain people but especially AI.

I never had one before & always get flu (I'm around lots of kids) & my husband always gets one & never gets sick. He is also a teacher & firefighter/emt so around sickness. Of course, his immune system WAY better than mine.

I am going this week to get my shot... hesitantly.....

Carie
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: puccini914 on October 09, 2011, 09:04:30 AM
I am also on the fence about this issue.  The last time I got a flu shot was back in college and I got the worst flu of my life.  I haven't gotten a shot since.  That was in 1990.  I know medicine has changed a lot since then, but so has my body.  I've been on MTX for over a year and a half now with no talk of changing that.  I have very little immunity for a vaccine to work with.  I just don't think it would it would do any good.  Vaccines are supposed to teach your immune system to fight certain viruses, but if you don't have the antibodies to begin with, what's the point.  Wouldn't stirring up those antibodies cause the immune system to wake up?  With AI diseases, whose to say the the immune system will react to the vaccine as it should?  Maybe it just flares us up and does nothing at all.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: gold55 on October 09, 2011, 09:26:31 AM
well, last year was the first time I took the flu with the H1N1 and then this year was dx with Sjogrens!  I know I'm always trying to blame the disease on something.....my Mom did the same thing as she was diagnosed with RA after getting a flu shot which she hadn't done in years!  they say dead virus isn't a problem....next year they are forcing all the staff at my husband's workplace to get the flu shot...he's not happy!
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: stephL on October 09, 2011, 10:56:13 AM
Did a little research yesterday. Since the big 4 vaccine manufacturers in the US have been deluged with hundreds of autism lawsuits, they threatened to pull all their products from the US market. So, the US Supreme Court ruled earlier this year to protect them from all liability, in other words, they can't be sued for damages. Sheesh, is this even constitutional? There is a vaccine injury fund administrated by the US government to aid people who have suffered adverse reactions. LA Times Article: Supreme Court shields vaccine makers from lawsuits   http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/22/news/sc-dc-0223-court-vaccines-20110223 (http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/22/news/sc-dc-0223-court-vaccines-20110223)

The National Vaccine Information Resource Center advocates for informed consent, explains how to keep records of your vaccines, how to report an adverse reaction and/or make an injury claim, and links to the vaccine laws of all 50 states which explain how to take a legal exemption from laws requiring vaccines. http://www.nvic.org/ (http://www.nvic.org/)

I know a married couple who are both school teachers. Just this week, their 6 year old son was immunized with the flu mist. He immediately became ill with a full blown case of the flu. His mother caught it from him and came down with the flu as well. I'm going to encourage my friends to report this as an adverse reaction.

Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Katybarstool on October 09, 2011, 01:00:35 PM
I have had the flu vaccination for the past seven years as I have SJS and lung issues. I also had the pneumonia vaccinations. My father died in 1958, during a flu epidemic. He was only 24. I have no reservations about these vaccinations.

Kathyx
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: jazzlover on October 09, 2011, 02:07:35 PM
Did a little research yesterday. Since the big 4 vaccine manufacturers in the US have been deluged with hundreds of autism lawsuits, they threatened to pull all their products from the US market. So, the US Supreme Court ruled earlier this year to protect them from all liability, in other words, they can't be sued for damages. Sheesh, is this even constitutional? There is a vaccine injury fund administrated by the US government to aid people who have suffered adverse reactions. LA Times Article: Supreme Court shields vaccine makers from lawsuits   http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/22/news/sc-dc-0223-court-vaccines-20110223 (http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/22/news/sc-dc-0223-court-vaccines-20110223)

The National Vaccine Information Resource Center advocates for informed consent, explains how to keep records of your vaccines, how to report an adverse reaction and/or make an injury claim, and links to the vaccine laws of all 50 states which explain how to take a legal exemption from laws requiring vaccines. http://www.nvic.org/ (http://www.nvic.org/)

I know a married couple who are both school teachers. Just this week, their 6 year old son was immunized with the flu mist. He immediately became ill with a full blown case of the flu. His mother caught it from him and came down with the flu as well. I'm going to encourage my friends to report this as an adverse reaction.

I know. It really sucks.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: irish on October 09, 2011, 03:52:21 PM
There is a hospital in the state that lost its administrator a few years ago to the flu.

It was October and a few cases were just starting in and he got sick. He had not had time to get his flu shot and was in his early fifties. He was transferred to Rochester and within 4 days he was dead.

He got so ill and everyone of his systems went into failure. The kidney failure started and he went on dialysis and they thought that they could get him through the worst of the illness and have a slow recovery. That did not happen and the whole state ran wild getting their flu shots that year.

This was talked about on all the TV stations, radio and newspapers in the state. People were almost shellshocked. He was a very nice guy with a nice wife and kids and people just couldn't process that he really did die from the flu. So yes, I will get my flu shot cause it still is dangerous.

It can also affect people's lungs and cause issues that can bother a person for years to come. This type of flu is influenza and is not the common ordinary flu that we have alot. It is the body aching, high fevers, coughing, headache, chills, etc., think you are going to die variety. If you have ever had it you do not want to experience it again. I speak from experience as I had the Hong Kong flu when I was 14 or so and I lost over a week of my life from being so sick. I missed 2 weeks of school and lost close to 15 pounds in little over a week. Took me a long time to get my strength back.

As I am typing this I am wondering if this was the trigger for all my AI issues. I can't say that I paid that much attention to when AI happened in relation to this flu. Irish ;D
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: mshistory on October 09, 2011, 05:10:33 PM
You're right, Irish. I do think the flu tends to get minimized in just how severe it can be. The deadliest epidemic in recorded history was actually not the Bubonic Plague epidemic that gets so much popular attention (the first European plague lasted about four years), but the 1918-1919 flu epidemic that is estimated to have killed between 20 - 40 million people in a single year - more than all 4 years of the first round of the Bubonic plague in Europe combined. I remember when the H1N1 hype was all over the news, and yes, there was a lot of overreaction, but there was a lot underreaction too. I heard "it's just the flu" more than a few times and remember thinking some people have no idea just how serious some diseases can be anymore. I will gladly take my flu vaccine every single year  ;D
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Scottietottie on October 11, 2011, 05:08:32 PM
Hi  :)

I also think flu tends to get minimised because people say they have flu when they don't. They have bad colds or some other type of virus and I'm sure they feel ill but flu just knocks you out! If you really have a dose of flu - getting out of bed is a real struggle even to go to the bathroom. I've read at different times people posting (not necessarily in here) that they are off work and feeling miserable because they have flu. If they had flu proper - they wouldn't be near a computer.

Take care - Scottie  :)
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Katybarstool on October 14, 2011, 01:20:09 PM
Hi Scottie

I agree. Hubby and I are going for our jabs tomorrow.

Kathyx
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: lea78 on October 14, 2011, 02:02:49 PM
I have asked at our doctors about the flu jab and they said at the moment sjogrens syndrome is not on their protocol. I would not hesitate to have the jab, my youngest daughter who was diagnose asthmatic has had it for the last 2 years.

Though i believe she caught flu last year before she had her jab. The flu really made her unwell.

As she not used her inhalers for a long time i have been told she will not require the jab this year.

I am going to see about paying for the jab this year.

I am a believer in vaccinations, my oldest daughter got measles at 9 months old, 3 months before her vaccination for it was due. But it is a personal decision, i know some people worry about them.
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Calli66 on October 14, 2011, 02:04:53 PM
quoting irish "This type of flu is influenza and is not the common ordinary flu that we have alot. It is the body aching, high fevers, coughing, headache, chills, etc., think you are going to die variety. If you have ever had it you do not want to experience it again."

I had this 20 years ago and never want to go through anything like that again. Lost 10 pounds and even when it was over, I coughed my lungs out for 2 solid months.

Got my flu shot this week--2 days of sore arm, that's it.

Calli
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: jaygee on October 14, 2011, 02:05:29 PM
I got flu last December.  Confined to bed - could hardly get to the bathroom unaided.  I was ill, then relapsed until March  ::)   I just got the flu jab a couple of weeks ago - I had a sore, bruised feeling in my arm for a couple of days.  I hope it works!!!!   Don't want the flu any time soon.  xx
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: itssue on October 14, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
I get the jab every year.  There is no way I want to get the flu, like others have said once you've had it you never want to go through it again. 
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Autoimmunity on October 14, 2011, 03:39:24 PM
I just read an article the other day about the swine flu shot causing narcolepsy in children in Finland I think.  The one time I was talked into the stupid shot I became very ill. 
I had a big tadoo with employee health yesterday trying to force the stupid flu shot on me; basically stating within the next year or so I WILL have the shot or not be employed.  She thought she would intimidate me into the shot this year.  Hardly!  Now I am just mad and not going to be forced to inject toxins into my already ill body.  We are still in America, right??
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Nancy60 on October 14, 2011, 05:04:23 PM
The flu shot is a requirement of employment where I work (major hospital) but they will allow health and religious exceptions if you have a note from your doctor or religious leader.  I am pro vaccine as I had the flu in 1999-2000 and was very ill from it and didn't have health insurance at the time except for catastrophic/hospitalization.  I probably should have been hospitalized, but I was afraid I wouldn't be able to afford it.  I was off work for weeks and coughing up crud for 2 or 3 months afterward....I never want to go through that again.

Nancy
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Autoimmunity on October 14, 2011, 05:09:02 PM
The flu shot is a requirement of employment where I work (major hospital) but they will allow health and religious exceptions if you have a note from your doctor or religious leader.  I am pro vaccine as I had the flu in 1999-2000 and was very ill from it and didn't have health insurance at the time except for catastrophic/hospitalization.  I probably should have been hospitalized, but I was afraid I wouldn't be able to afford it.  I was off work for weeks and coughing up crud for 2 or 3 months afterward....I never want to go through that again.

Nancy

Yes, I work for a hospital too.  They are moving towards making the shot mandatory; I don't know if you can opt out with a doctors note or not.  I do know it's my body, I have no patient contact and I should have the right to decide what goes into my body.   >:(
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: irish on October 15, 2011, 03:45:36 PM
You don't have to have patient contact to get the flu. YOu just have to walk down the hall, open a door, talk to someone, eat a meal, talk to someone, use the phone, use the computer, etc.

The darn flu bugs live anywhere and everywhere. Supposedly people are to wash their hands, etc but that is something that is a pipe dream. Just stand in a bathroom and watch people go in and out.

No matter where you are you are going to be exposed to the flu bug. TRy going to Walmart, the grocery store, etc. It is sort of like playing Russian roulette. If you play and don't get the flu you can jump up and down for joy. If you play and you get the flu, then you are going to be sick.

Hospitals don't like people around who are playing Russian roulette because it is the people who aren't vaccinated who get sick and spread the disease more. They just can't take a chance having all their help exposed and getting sick. The hospitals know that there is a possibility of a death from the flu or other terrible side effects that may ruin a person's ability to work again.

I know that you are angry about being forced to do this, but in this day and age when a business has a policy and a person knows it there isn't much you can do about it. I fear it could cause the loss of the job. This is probably a very justifiable policy they have because if even 25% of their staff gets sick and can't work the hospital can hardly function. It really puts the health care of a community in a terrible position as the hospital admits are up and the lack of help is way down.

I was called back to work when I was on maternity leave back in 1968 during a flu epidemic. The hospital was full and the halls were full of beds. There were some deaths and a few of them in our town were young people. Back in those days I don't even remember if there was a flu vaccine, but I am thinking it hadn't come out yet or was available for only the chronically ill and older people.

Life isi not like it used to be. Irish ;D
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: buddybelle on October 15, 2011, 06:21:09 PM
I agree with Irish.
Consider getting the flu vaccine if you already have lung issues. I got mine last Saturday and had no adverse effects.
Buddybelle
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: harlin on October 17, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
My Rheumy does require the flu and pneumonia shots, so of course I do get them. I just trust in my docs to know what I am needing.
Love and prayers,
harlin
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: williak on October 17, 2011, 05:38:21 PM
My rheumy asked if I got the flu shot, which I did with no problems.  She also told me to get the pneumonia shot, which I will.  I work at a hospital so the flu shot was required, or I could wear a mask if I happen to be near an patients.  I've had the flu and an pneumonia, I prefer the shots!
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: irish on October 17, 2011, 07:42:16 PM
I wanted to tell you one thing that was helpful to me. When I first saw my immunologist and was diagnosed with the severely low t-cells and high risk for infection he did blood work to see if my vaccinations had caused a rise in antibodies.

My tetanus shot did as did the flu shot from the previous year. People with autoimmune diseases should never get live vaccines but only the attenuated or dead vaccine. That is what my tetanus was ,etc. If you are wondering if your body can raise antibodies to any vaccines ask the doc to check your blood. You will have to be checked for the vaccines that you had most recently. Just something to think about.

I know that I have had a few times when I felt a little punk the next day after a vaccination but nothing that a tylenol didn't take care of. Irish ;D
Title: Re: the flu vaccination
Post by: Narablueeyes on October 17, 2011, 07:57:30 PM
Just something I came across on JAMA when I was doing some research.  It deals with pneumonia vacc on Sjogren's patients.  Short.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/245/22/2288.full.pdf?sid=f6de1640-2aae-497e-8e7d-41eaf4408149