Author Topic: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform  (Read 10096 times)

Bernice

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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2010, 08:50:55 AM »
Louise,
Look, this is a touchy subject, a good one, but touchy. We all have very strong thoughts about it, but the last thing I want is to bring the hatred that is in the rest of America surrounding this subject into our world here.

Was hoping to have a conversation on the subject without the anger, though. I don't believe I called anyone here an idiot, I referred to some callers from C-Span as I recall. When speaking of those objecting to bill not using it, I don't see what's wrong with that, if they truly feel so strongly to the point of anger and yes hatred about saving our nation this money I would think they would be against use of this money being spent on them and theirs, it would save, but unfortunate most are in it just for the fight, not speaking of you, but alot are, you can tell by the anger and things they say, especially in not getting their way.

There are things that I pay into, but never make use of, I do it to help others and have no problems with it, so for me saying this I did so in sincerity. I too love my nation, but I don't recognize my nation as just a place to live and a dollar, but more importantly it's people, we are a nation of people, living and breathing people that live in this space in the world.

Just like I mentioned about the other nations, I have more compassion for the destruction of the people that are destroyed in these wars, than the land, but I do not believe it our responsibility to rebuild, if they have been a threat to us, then a war may be needed. but I do have a problem with us going into harmless nations destroying both people and land, thus mindless wars! Either way money should not be spent because if they are dangerous to us then we fight then leave and they deal with it or as in old days take over land as our own.Monies spent fighting useless wars in nations that are harmless to us is a waste and morally wrong, IN MY OPINION ONLY.

These are my beliefs with what little understanding I have on the matter, do I have all the answers? No, but I do have and am entitled to my opinions as long as I don't attack or insult anyone else, which I don't think I did, can you say the same? This discussion was not meant to be an personal attack against you, please don't take it that way.

I'm done here, have a nice day!

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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2010, 09:01:08 AM »
TO ELECTED LEADERS OF TN. THAT I MIGHT HAVE OFFENDED IN MY STATEMENTS HERE!

I did also refer to some politicians of my state as idiots, now if any of you are my state's representatives then I appoligize, but then too I would think you would be used to much worst and have a much thicker skin than worry about lil ole me calling ya names. Guess sometimes we feel free to do so because of the examples you guys set in the chambers and on national tv. But as always we the people are held to a higher standard than our elected leaders, huh?

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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2010, 09:22:52 AM »
ALL of you are paying taxes for my son to get medical care the rest of his life.  Also for him to receive some disability.  YES your taxes.

Too bad no one thought of taxes when we marched off to war....two wars!  Perhaps that money could have been used for social good in this country versus destruction of a generation of war veterans, and destruction of two foreign lands we now have to rebuild!

I have a son now, with life long injuries, due to an IED.  

And if one more person asks me what an IED is, I will scream!  Americans have not borne their fair share of this war, since we don't have a draft.  If we had a draft, this would stop and the slow bleed of lives and money would stop.  No one even talks about these wars anymore or the cost.  My daughter is facing a second deployment to Afghanistan....and I have to watch her infant, as sick as I am.  What about these costs?

Europeans manage to care for all their citizens, not just the rich.  I guess we just are not that smart.  I would go to Europe for health care in a minute.  I can't afford it.

I would rather pay taxes then huge premiums to insurance companies that invest in bad mortgages.  

I already WAIT a very long time to see specialists....6 to 12 months.  I have insurance from a major provider thru my husband.  If he retires, prior to Medicare kicking in, our premiums based on today, are $1600 per month.  I suspect he must keep working, or we would run out of savings to pay for insurance.  We have a solid pension, 6 figures saved for insurance costs, and 6 figures saved in savings, plus a home.....and we don't have enough.   That poor man endured 35 years in the same job most of that with a salary under 40K.  We never got a handout, ever.  I didn't even get a child care tax credit or student loan tax credit.

I think the cut off for subsidies is too low.  I think a cap on premium inreases is needed, as well as a windfall tax on insurance companies.

And the insurance company had two digit billion dollar profits, last year alone!  They must have gotten some of that from denying my IVIG for several months and throwing me into a major relapse which has still not been contained despite its resumption.  I am a better patient for them if I die soon!  Then they collected premiums and didn't pay out much.  What better way to kill off baby boomers than to deny or delay payment for procedure.  Nothing says death panel than too high a premium or uninsurability.

The goal of insurance companies when the baby boomers were young, was to collect our money for premiums.  NOW that we are old and sick, they want us off their rolls.  Look at demographics....of course it doesn't make sense to have all these old, sick people since their costs exceed premiums.  Insurance companies do not need profits in the billions.  Heck 60 billion $ were saved by putting the student loan program back to what it was...direct borrowing from the government.

I think health people who get Medicaid due to joblessness, could be volunteered to do things...pick up litter, do personal chores for people, work for DOT, DMV etc to earn the benefit thery by saving the taxpayer dollars.

I am an RN, and I know this system went nuts when HMOs and for profit medical care was brought in in the early 80's.  Health care is not a good for profit endeavor.

 It is like water.  It is a resource.  Greed does not belong in the equation.

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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2010, 09:46:44 AM »
Wow, some of you seem to have such hatred and disgust for our country.  We have now moved from Healthcare to War.  I'm wondering if some of you that cite Canada, Europe and Mexico as the place to be with all their excellent well run programs might want to consider moving there.  Then, you wouldn't have to put with all the idiots that live here and still believe they live in the greatest nation on earth.  Yes, I'm still patriotic but I guess that just equates to being an idiot.

The Sjogrens board is really not the place for this.  We have been brought together by the common disease called Sjogrens.  People genuinely care about one another and try to offer help as much as possible.  This just brings a lot of bad feelings to the table. 

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inga

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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2010, 09:51:08 AM »
Hatred for my county?  Hatred?

My son almost gave his life and is a decorated vet.  Because we back health care we hate our country?  Because we oppose war, we hate our country?

My daughter faces yet another long deployment, away from her son.

Shame on any one who treats the family of a veteran, who has sacrificed so much, like this.


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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2010, 09:53:35 AM »
From a purely personal standpoint, I could not be happier to see this bill passed into law. Of course it is not perfect, but it is definitely a start.

My son was diagnosed with arthritis when he was 11 years old. He has been in remission for 2 years, but because of his pre-existing condition our insurance agent had told him that once he reached the cut off age for staying on our healthcare he would be denied coverage. And then what? What if he needed to go to the doctor? What if, heaven forbid, he was involved in a car accident or some other catastrophic event that landed him in the hospital? Is he supposed to start out his independent adult life with the fear of medical bills ruining his financial life?

Now because of this bill he cannot be denied coverage because of his arthritis - starting this year. Or he can choose to stay on our health plan until 26. What a great thing to have options, where none existed before.

Of course, there will be kinks that have to be worked out and things that will have to be tweaked to make this plan run efficiently. I definitely disagree though that nothing the government touches has run smoothly. There are many government run programs, which have already been mentioned, that run well. Are they perfect, of course not. Nothing will ever be perfect, especially when run by we imperfect human beings.

But if Europe can offer well-run healthcare for its citizens, why can't we? We are supposed to be the greatest super power on earth at this time. Shouldn't a great super power take care of its citizens first and foremost?

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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2010, 09:56:27 AM »
And I'm certainly not implying that anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot, or doesn't have the right to speak their mind. I just thought you might be interested to see how this bill has already effected one person in a positive way.

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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2010, 10:01:17 AM »
OK Folks - this thread has gone far enough.

Sjogren's world policy is that we keep politics and religion off the boards because both can be contentious.

This thread was allowed to 'go' initially because health care obviously affects us all.

We are here because we have a common reason for being here and we are here to inform, to support and to be supported.

No more politics or religion please.


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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2010, 10:08:02 AM »
Inga,

I agree with everything you talked about in your post, everything.  I would just add that I hope I don't live as long as my parents did, because I couldn't afford to. Today you need 7 figures to retire and I'm afraid I'll never reach that even with my house being nearly paid off and who knows what their house will be worth in the future.

It is estimated that if insurance premiums continue at the curant rate 40% of Americans will be without health insurance by 2020, that's not too far off.  Now is the time to start doing something about it, before we have a total collapse of the health system.  This gives us time to make amendments and adjustments to the Healthcare Bill, we also get to catch up with the rest of the industrialized world.  And yes bring back the draft, save lives and treasure.


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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2010, 10:30:57 AM »

ENOUGH


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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2010, 04:52:43 PM »
Okay, probably not appropriate to reply at this stage.  But if this health care reform thing had been done RIGHT, the pre-existing conditions, Medicare/Medicaid programs and premium caps reforms (the most important) would have been put into law FIRST.  Next a reduction in hospital/treatment/diagnostic/surgical costs.  There was absolutely NO NEED for a total government-controlled overhaul of health care.

As it is, look at the waits we now have to see doctors, especially specialists - the good ones, at any rate.  One is LUCKY not to have to wait six or more weeks.  Just imagine when millions more insureds are loosed into the system.  I wouldn't blame any doctor for throwing in the towel and going to another profession once this massive thing gets rolling. Instead of bashing them, where exactly would we be without them?  Probably a lot of us would be dead before our time.

As Medicare's senior advantage program will be raided and eventually dismantled to the tune of $500 billion - $1 trillion (with no attempt to deny this by even one of the bill's congressional advocates), I'll be looking for some other coverage, if I live that long. What the heck, seniors are nothing but complaining oldies, they've had their day, etc.  Move over for the younger uninsureds, keep quiet and just get under that bus.  Well, no I won't, and will support whatever viable and ethical avenue it takes to force a re-do.


 

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Re: Who voted yes, no. Health care reform
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2010, 06:27:39 PM »
Because there is a great deal of thoughtful, valuable information in this thread, it will not be removed, but because it's is rapidly drifting into an area that is contentious, and political discussions are against the rules of the forum for that reason, it will be locked.
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