Sjogrens World Forums

Sjogrens Topics => Living With Sjogren's => Topic started by: lighthouse33 on July 22, 2009, 08:06:13 AM

Title: US Health Care Bill
Post by: lighthouse33 on July 22, 2009, 08:06:13 AM
Here is a hyperlink to a Fred Thompson radio interview with Betsy McCaughey (former Lt. Gov. of NY).  She has read the Health Care Bill and according to her anyone who has an incurable or irreversible disease will not get treatment.  Of course, she mentioned things like dementia, Alzheimers,  Cerebral Palsy.  I'm sure this will also apply to all AI diseases.  No cures for them either.  And, no one will be able to pay for their own treatment, no private health insurance, no cash payment.  Everyone will have the same government plan.  Scary stuff!

http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiumstream?dispid=320&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD03MzUxJnBsYXlsaXN0PXRydWUmY2hhcnR0eXBlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzIwJnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT01

Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Epson on July 22, 2009, 08:46:44 AM
Wrong, wrong and wrong again.  Maybe you should ask our members from countries that have Nation Healthcare wheather or not they receive healthcare for their Sjogren's or any other incurable health issues.

The two people that you mentioned have never liked any public option for heathcare, going back to the Clinton era, infact they don't believe in Social Security, do you want to give that up and have all your money invested in Wall Street?

These people all have an agenda and it's all about the God all mighty dollar, not your health or mine.  My insurance company tells my doctor how to practice medicine.  They tell him what meds and what tests I can have.  Why would Medicare, a socialist program, pay for incurable and irreversible diseases, but not a National Healthcare Bill?
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Scottietottie on July 22, 2009, 08:54:58 AM
Hi

Coming from a country which has a national healthcare system, I guess maybe I shouldn't be commenting. How would having a national health care system stop private medicine from happening?  If people want to pay into private healthcare here - they can. Some employers pay for it in with employees conditions. My daughter has private healthcare through work but has never found the need to use it. She's always found the NHS fine.

I agree with Epson that looking at people's hidden agendas is worth doing.

Take care - Scottie  :)
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Billydude on July 22, 2009, 12:14:42 PM
I agree with Epson.   
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: lcm on July 22, 2009, 01:49:41 PM
hi, I work in a hospital and we are preparing for huge government cuts in funding but the hospitals will still beheld accountable for the same level of care given today. So where will the hospitals make cuts? Some might just close their doors. Ours is looking for areas where we can cut costs. I don't see government involvement as a good thing. I think free enterprise is the only way to go, competition is a great motivator. I think we are headed for disaster and the same kind of mess the national budget is in. Some people will gain helathcare at some level that they are not getting now and others will pay the price for that.
Soon doctors will be under the same kind of control and they won't like that.
I just think the government makes a mess of things. My opinion.
Now they need to control how much the supply companies charge the doctors and hospitals for their supplies and medical equipment. Those costs are some of the costs that drive the cost of medical care.
Everyone just needs to know that you can't cut funding and get good care, even if you try to keep things the same, without funding there will be a deficit somewhere that will end up affecting the patient.  Thanks.
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Epson on July 22, 2009, 02:29:52 PM
Icm,

You can't have it both ways, if competition is a great motovator, why do you want to controll what a supplier can charge the doctors and hospitals for their products?  I thought you believed in the free enterprise system, what happened?  Wouldn't an optional government plan add competition?  The government would do such a horrible job that no one would sign up for it, you know like Medicare, no one wants that.

I have an idea, how about we all pay a little bit more in taxes, like on say the junk food that's killing us or pair down to fighting one war instead of two or close 500 overseas military bases, that would leave us with another 500 and save billions of dollars that are spent outside of our country.
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Epson on July 22, 2009, 03:18:57 PM
News Flash!!  United Healthcare just posted a $859 million profit for the 2nd quarter of the year, not bad in a down market, so much for free enterprise and competition in the insurance market.
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: navydad on July 22, 2009, 03:32:49 PM
UPMC has bought up probably 90% of the hospitals in my area, so its not hard to get a health care provider, but the level of care has stayed the same, some good hospitals and some you wouildnt even want to die in, Heres the bottom line,, anytime Govt gets involved in anything, they screw it up,, there motto is,, even if its broke,, we can fix it by throwing mre useles money at it,, like said above,, cut some of our budget,, expec the military,, we have the biggest military in the world next to north korea or china, but neither of those would even dream of going up against us,, we could matain our level of security with half of the military budget,,
  We are headinf for a diaster with this health care plan,, I aee one year waits for  a MRI, maybe 6 months for simple bloodwork,,
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Epson on July 22, 2009, 04:04:58 PM
Wow, if the government is that bad, maybe we should dismantle our military and hire private industry to protect us, oh yah, we did that in Iraq and everything cost us 10 times as much and they didn't do such a good job.  Well, I guess no one wants dissability or Social Security or Medicare and I thought Medicare was great when my dad lived with me, they paid all the bills and he had a lot of them.
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Babs659 on July 22, 2009, 05:06:38 PM
Epson, you are so right on all counts!
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: eyeamdry on July 22, 2009, 06:07:20 PM
Quote
News Flash!!  United Healthcare just posted a $859 million profit for the 2nd quarter of the year, not bad in a down market, so much for free enterprise and competition in the insurance market.

Oh, Epson honey, that is music to my ears.  I hold a little (meaning little) stock in UHC and about 18 months ago it tanked from $80 share to about $20.  I took my eyes off this stock while I was sick with cancer treatment and it just went plunk.  I'm happy now to hear this.  Maybe my stock went from $25 to 26 share.  Think?  I'll go look.  lucy
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Billydude on July 22, 2009, 07:07:07 PM
I think the doctors and hospitals are ripping us off anyway.    I had an MRI at my local hospital and it cost over 4000.00 and then had another one at another facility that cost 1000.00.   Why the heck is one so much more expensive than the other.   I also had a liver biopsy and just the consultation appointment alone cost 1000.00.    I'm not sure what the biospy will cost but they won't give me my results unless I have a follow up appointment.   Now,  I can't drive and the appointment is a 3 hour drive each way so I have to have my partner take a day off from work just to go through all that the get verbal results.  Something that could easily be given to me over the phone.   So,  that will be another 1000.00 for this guy.   I don't feel sorry at all for the medical field.   Then there are the rip offs from the drug industry.    I think a little government control is fine.
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: watoozie on July 22, 2009, 08:08:06 PM
I agree with Epson!!!
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: irish on July 22, 2009, 08:15:58 PM
I am not going to get emotional over this issue. Money is always a great motivator in the capalist society that we live in. Much of the time that is what motivates people to excel and people to reach beyond the stars with inventions etc.

However, I will be the first to admit that our health care system is broken as well as some other stuff. I am not in favor of this current plan because there are too many things in there that have not been read. Recently, Fred T. , who has seen the 1000 page booklet, I believe, said that there is a provision in there that says that the "old" people and I assume this means those over 65 have to go up before a committee every 5 years to be assessed and approved for any continuing treatment. That scares me!!!

Anyway, I do know that with the new plan and possibly any new plan I will probably not be eligible for my infusions every month. Irks me big time as I just got a letter from my doc telling me that my t-cells are now 843 --- in Aug 2006 they were 448 and in 2007 they were 320. In other words, the infusions are helping me. I have had much less mucus in the past week and figured something was up. I have been wondering if the infusion was helping cause some things have just felt different. Now we will just see how many infections I get. Normal t-cells are 1064-1672 or close to that.Hate to have to lose my infusions now. I am old and not of any intrinsic value anymore!!!! Irish ;D
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Bernice on July 22, 2009, 10:12:19 PM
Iris,

Wow! This board is really bring out some bad memories for me!

Let me inform you from past experience DOCTORS ARE ALREADY DOING ASSESSMENTS ON OLDER PERSON'S LIFE WORTHINESS!

My father, a man 74 years old very active both physically and mentally, hard working and doing far better than most on this site, including myself went to the doctors found out he had cancer of the lungs, I STOOD A NUMBER OF TIMES HEARING DOCTORS ASKING QUESTIONS SUCH AS- HOW OLD WAS HIS PARENTS WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DID FROM,ETC...? WELL I GUESS THEY DID NOT LIKE THE ANSWERS WE GAVE. TRUTH? I EVEN LIED GIVING A MUCH OLDER AGE WHEN ASKED!

THEY FLAT OUT TOLD US THAT THEY WERE MAKING AN ASESSEMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT WAS WORTH INVESTING TIME AND MONEY IN TREATMENT FOR MY DADDY BECAUSE OF HIS AGE. THE ANSWERE WAS NO! I THOUGHT I WAS FINALLY GETTING SOMEWHERE WITH THEM AFTER BEGGING FOR MY FATHER'S LIFE! THEY TOOK THEIR TIME DURING THE HOLIDAYS BEFORE FINALLY REFERRING TO THE RIGHT DOCTOR!

IRIS DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO HAVE A DOCTOR TELL YOU NOT ONCE BUT TWICE THAT IF THEY HAD SENT HIM JUST A LITTLE EARLIER HE COULD HAVE HELPED, NOT ONCE BUT TWICE DID THIS MAN REPEAT THIS TO ME AS I STOOD WITH TEARS IN EYES NOT ABLE TO SAY A WORD. I TRIED TO PUSH AND FIGHT FOR MY DADDY, TAKING HIM TO WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE BEST HOSPITAL MILES AWAY!!!!  I WAS WITH HIM FROM THE VERY BEGINNING TO THE VERY END, ALONE HEARING HIS LAST BREATH! TWO MONTHS LATER!!!

SAME THING HAPPEN WITH AN OLDER COUSIN. DIFFERENT DOCTOR, DIFFERENT STATE!!!


THEY ALREADY MAKE ASSESSMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bernice
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Babs659 on July 23, 2009, 04:13:09 AM
Absolutely, Bernice.  The health insurance industry is ALREADY making decisions about who gets to live or die.  My doctor had to fight with my health care plan (for state employees---one of the best) for me to get a stress test because I'm only 50.  My rheumy had to fight for me to get a brain MRI.  My insurance refuses to pay for my Nexium, so I had to switch to Aciphex.  But part of the problem is that the pharmaceutical industry is charging outrageous amounts of money for some drugs.   
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: missyb on July 23, 2009, 07:45:58 AM
There are points to be made on both sides of this issue. And they are all valid, which is why the issue is rightly a topic for heated debate.
Truthfully, with a government run NHS, it  will become increasingly difficult for anyone without am obvious presenting disease (ie compound fracture, lol) to get a more in depth evaluation. If you do not have something that will show up in a basic CBC you will not get much further because your GP will be discouraged to refer. But, hey all your appts with the GP will be covered!  ;)

I have worked inside a federally operated hospital, and let me tell you it sucked. The equipment was the worst, the facilities outdated and it was so short staffed it was enough to make you sick coming to work. From the people I worked with who moved around within the system, it's not much better anywhere else. Sounds delightful to put my own health in their hands.

What you have remember here is WHO will putting this magnanimous plan  together for us, it's the same great folks, on BOTH sides sides of congress who have dumbed down our schools, pillaged Social Security, and have only ever protected the best interest of Goldman Sachs.

However, I would be satisfied with any health care plan solution that Congress and Mr Obama are willing to sign up for themselves and have their own families treated with.

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Bernice on July 23, 2009, 08:10:36 PM
All I know is SOMETHING has got to be done! People ARE DYING IN NEED FROM LACK OF MEDICAL CARE! SOMETHING HAS GOT TO BE DONE!

This thing of these two political parties fighting back and forward hinders ANY and EVERYTHING!

They are self seeking for the most part. Could it be that maybe, just maybe we do have a president that really does care????? It is a personal thing for him, losing his mother in the manner he did does seem to have made an impact on his feelings. Maybe that is what it takes, having someone in office that has suffered the same as most of the people!  Because we are not used to that it hinders us from trusting, well we have got to trust in order to move ahead with ANYTHING!!!!

Others tearing plans down without better solutions only amount to NOTHING for those STILL IN NEED!!

Those two primary parties will still be fighting when the Lord comes back!!!!!!!!  They know that they need for the public to keep fighting about issues in order to get what THEY want, ELECTED! Elections that only BEST SERVE THEM AND NOT THE PUBLIC THAT NEEDS IT THE MOST!!!!!!!!!!

Old people used to having a saying that best describes my thoughts on this everlasting issue of health care. Either Sh@@ or get off the pot!!!!!

DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!! BESIDES FIGHTING! THIS IS NO GAME!!!

Peace & Be Blessed!
Bernice
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Epson on July 23, 2009, 09:27:15 PM
Bernice,
You forgot about the third party, the most powerful one, the lobbyist for the insurance companies and big pharma.  When one insurance company makes almost one billion in profit in one quarter of the year, do you think their going to give that kind of money up without a fight.  Insurance companies make their money by not paying for healthcare, so to make a huge profit you have to say no to a lot of tests for a lot of people.
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: kimbo on July 23, 2009, 09:28:50 PM
Bernice,

So sorry about your father......I hear you.

There are many in our nation in great health care need. I pray they hear us all, on behalf of those who are not heard, and feel invisible.

I would like to hear more positives like Scottie tells of, or Canadians health care, just to have more information about their experiences. A little knowledge in regard to their experiences with health care provisions.  


blessings kimbo
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: missyb on July 23, 2009, 09:32:23 PM

I love old people's sayings too and "Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire" is the one this bill reminds me of.
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Bernice on July 24, 2009, 03:25:53 PM
Hello ALL,

For me this matter of Health Care is not so personal, I am fully covered with tri- care standard (husband retired from military) paying 80% / Supplement insurance paying what the first don't pay. However this supplement is quite high if you ask me, we pay $155.00 per month. I have thought a number of times to cancel it, but have been too afraid to do so fearing that we may really need it in the future. I am the only one using it as of now, my husband too stubborn to go for anything! He does appear quite healthy, I pray that's the case.

Though it may not be so personal I feel for those that do not have coverage and really think that SOMETHING needs to be done for them. There are so many that have worked, just as hard as me and most,but have found themselves in this situation. I do not think that ANYBODY in this great nation should have to find themselves facing death because they can't afford coverage!! We blow so much money and time on useless issues. People's lives are being lost the longer we wait! The plan may not initially be the best, but start with SOMETHING and then go from there!

I too think that it is good and wise to consider Canada's as well as others, BUT to examine for guidance and not a hindrance or reason to reject moving forward with a plan.

I just wish they could leave the political fighting out of this, however I know better!
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: irish on July 24, 2009, 08:59:20 PM
I don't mean to sound rude as we all want this communication to remain civil but have any of you read about people in single payer countries and what they have to go through to get medical care. Many of them have to come to our country to get life threatening diseases treated plus they have to pay out of their own pocket. They could not wait the 6-8 months to see a specialist in their country.

I will not mention the country but there was an article in the Readers Digest telling that 5000 doctors have left the country to come and practice medicine in the USA as they did not like the single payer system as it rationed care plus they were still apt to get sued.  Also, another article told about a young boy who had a head injury and needed immediate brain surgery. The neurosurgery unit in his area was closed due to running out of money before the end of the year. There was no place to go as the other neurosurgies were all booked up. I don't think that is what a person would call best care.

You should also know that the American Medical Association only has about 20+ % of doctors as members. This has become a political organization that lobbies and is only looking out for things that are not necessarily in the best interest of the medical profession. The same is true of the Nurses Association. Years ago I belonged for about a year and I got out as it was so political oriented and lobbying and hob-nobbing with the political incumbants trying to get laws passed that were not in the nurses or the patients best interest. This is also true of AARP who lobby and attempt to sway the congresses votes in certain areas that will benefit their organization.

We must all research these organizations and important people because much of the time things are not what they seem. I am not a member of either party anymore as I am sick and tired of everyone in Washington being out for themselves. I just heard today that there is a gas pump in the basement of the Capital building(or whereever) that all the congressmen can go to pump gas. I suppose WE are paying for that too.

I have to admit that I am against this new health care system as the stuff I have heard is really scary. Did you know that Hawaii tried a single payer system for a certain element of their population about 3 years ago. It lasted 7 months and they had to quit it because many of the people that weren't eligible were making sure to get themselves in a position to get coverage and it was financially draining the state.

By the way, Bernice, you supplement is not that out of line. I am assuming that this pays a lot of things that medicare doesn't cover. I have a supplement that costs aboat that much a month and Iseldom have to pay anything. It is too bad your hubby doesn't have insurance. My hubby had a back surgery that ended up with a 3 month hospitalization due to infection. We paid $1000 out of about $200,000 doctor bill. We would never have guessed how this whole thing played out. If we didn't have insurance we would have ended up selling our house to pay the bill.

Hope we can all keep calm , cool and collected over all this. Irish ;D
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Bernice on July 24, 2009, 09:21:16 PM
Iris,

He is covered, he just thinks himself too healthy to need to go to doctors!  :( >:( :o  A lot of men are like this, this worries me. He does appear healthy, but we all know looks can be deceiving!

I was just wondering if this supplement was within the right price range. I don't go to the doctors that often and with me being the only using the insurance I was trying to weigh if it was worth the cost, but I am too afraid to cancel it not knowing if one day we will really need it. We have had it for about 8 - 10 years now. Didn't mind so much when kids were covered for about the same costs, but I guess I should be glad that we don't need to use it too often, huh?? You know how it is when it comes to spending money we always try to get the most for our money ;D

As for as this Health Care Plan goes I just want something to be done for people that are in need. I hate that politics have to play such a part in EVERYTHING it seems. I really don't care who comes up with the plan I just want them to decide on Something soon, so people can be helped.

Peace & Be Blessed!
Bernice
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: eyeamdry on July 24, 2009, 09:41:33 PM
Irish: you took the words out of my mouth.  (Don't tell anyone-cause I don't discuss it on here.)

Bernice:  You might want to reconsider dropping ANY insurance unless you are a young chick with no known ailments.  Since you're on here, at least one of those apply.  You cannot necessarily just buy ANY insurance any time you want.  If you need it, it's already too late. 

Lucy
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Epson on July 24, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
I really don't understand how people can dislike the new Health Bill since it doesn't exist yet, in-fact I don't think it is out of committee yet.  The Senate is working on one version and the House on another, then both sides will have to come to some sort of compromise.

I have a lot of relatives and friend who live in Europe the UK and Canada, not one has come to the States for any medical treatment nor have they ever thought about it.  Why would someone come to a country ranked 35th in the world for health care and 25th in infant mortality?  We aren't the only country with excellent doctors and research centers.

The stuff you hear is really scary because thats what fear mongers preach and who are the fear mongers?  Politicians who have taken millions of dollars from the insurance industry ( Republicans and Democrats) and the lobbyist for the insurance companies, all four of them that have over 70% of all the medical insurance policies in the country.

The status quo just won't work, 50 million people aren't able to get medical treatment because they can't afford it and millions more have insurance and were dropped when they became ill or the insurance company won't pay for the procedure they need to stay alive.  Getting sick shouldn't mean you have to go broke.  I have great insurance and it is very inexpensive, but that doesn't mean that I don't care about the rest of the human race.

If you like the insurance you have you can keep it, but it might not increase in cost every year if there is an alternative program offered by the government.  Maybe everything doesn't have to be profit driven, do insurance companies have to make a one billion dollar profit in just one quarter of the year, that's just one company.  Do you think Jesus charged lepers or the blind a copay to heal them?

At one time this country could do any thing, like go to the moon, now we can't win a war, our roads and bridges are crumbling, are schools are a mess, we can't count votes and we can't do what every industrialize country in the world can do, provide healthcare to all its citizen.  George Bernard Shaw once said, Some see things the way they are and ask, "Why?" I dream things that never were, and ask "Why not?"
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Bernice on July 24, 2009, 10:23:14 PM
Epson,

AMEN!
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: irish on July 24, 2009, 10:58:29 PM
Epson, It used to be that when something was broke, it was fixed. Now, when there is a road to be fixed, it has to go to a committee and someone has to do an environmental impact study and someone else has to check out where they can get the "free" money to help supplement fixing the road. I think the smarter we get the dumber we are and computers have made it even worse.

An example is the sewage disposal plant in the town where I live. We have needed to have upgrade on the plant for at least 15 years, but we had to spend millions on a water park that will go broke. Our town is like all the other towns. They have gotten in the habit of spending all this money. The taxpayers sit and watch them vote down various stuff for the schools. Doesn't make a bit of difference. School board just doesn't get the message that we have to change the way we do things. They should keep offering up referendums and their attitude is we will keep voting til it passes. Darn, why don't they cut out the away games for the 6,7,8  graders. DUH!!!!

By the way, there is some discrepancy about the percentage of our death rate in relation to other countries. It seems that many of these other countries have a habit of not always counting babies that are stillborn. Seems some missionaries reported this. Like I said, we can't always believe half of what we read. Need to make sure of the source I guess.

Also, the health care in some countries started out with people being able to keep their own health care and withint a few years there was no other health care except the government single payer. They made sure to get the other insurance compaies phased out. Also, employers will quit providing insurance if it is financially prudent to drop insurance and let people go to the government. Plus, they are working on raising the minimum wage and this will most certainly cause some business to go under or at least downsize. The business world is in a world of hurt. I have a relative in business and it is really something between the suppliers and the banks. People are really living on the edge. Unemployment is going to get worse.

I am all done talking about this as my blood pressure goes up. We do need a clean up of our health system. They should have never started Medicare cause that is what caused the cheating and overcharging and it just siphoned over into the whole health care industry. My humble opinion. Irish  ;D ??? ;D
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Scottietottie on July 25, 2009, 08:50:24 AM
Hi  :)

I'm going to wade in here and say that this is all getting pretty political. Part of me would love to comment further as there's nothing I like better than good going political ding dong, however I don't think this site is the time or the place for it - even although it's a medical issue.

We have rules about NO POLITICS and NO RELIGION on this site as both can be contentious issues.

Moderators use a bit of leeway on both but I think this thread should maybe have run its course. I haven't actually discussed this with any one as yet - so do feel free to disagree.

Please keep our rules in mind though.

Take care - Scottie  :)
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: irish on July 26, 2009, 02:35:32 PM
Scottie, You are so right!!! This started out with a few of us sitting on the fence talking and then we jumped the fence and got into deeper "do-do". I will not fade into the wood work and keep my blooming mouth shut. Irish ;D ::)
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: ohiolady on July 26, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
Irish,

I hope you do not fade into the woodwork and keep your mouth shut.  Debate is a good thing unless people get nasty.  This issue needs to be discussed and looked at from both sides of the aisle.  I try to see other peoples points of view even if I hold a different one.

Regarding this issue, I've worked for a compassionate general surgeon for 23 years.  NO ONE would be turned away from surgery that was needed to save their life regardless of their ability to pay.  My own brother entered the emergency room 4 years ago on Christmas Eve.  He had NO INSURANCE.   It was found that he had a very large brain tumor and he was lifeflighted to St. Vincents hospital and was operated on by a top neurosurgeon.  He then was transferred to one of the best rehabilatation facilities in the area.  When he was dying six months later his family doctor wanted to send him to Ohio State because he was only 37 years old and it was heartbreaking to watch him die so young.  He was given a medical card shortly after his diagnosis and received the best care.

My husband and I have spent $10,000.00 to $12,000.00 out of our pocket for the last three years.  Our insurance has a very large deductible and that is the way it is.  But, you know, we don't spend too much time dwelling on it.  My husband just works harder and he works a lot of hours but he is grateful to have me after the cancer scare. 

My brother received the same excellent care that I received.  Does our system need reform, I think so.  Do we need socialized medicine, I THINK NOT.  Medicare is broke, that is a fact.  I just don't want the government taking my personal choice away.  I think doctors will retire in great numbers and that will be a shame.   Regardless of our problems, we have the best healthcare in the world.  That is why people come here for care.

Anna
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Bernice on July 26, 2009, 04:12:35 PM
I agree!
Though I don't really think that anyone took offense to any one's opinion or that anyone meant to offend anyone, but it's just that the subject is a very pressing one. However I could be wrong. But for the sake of over all peace I do agree with Scottie.

Lucy: Your point of it being too late to get another one may be very correct, it's probably wont be to easy to get insured at this point. Huh? I need to just consider myself blessed that I have this one and STOP complaining of cost! You know it may be that I am in denial, but I only remember or focus on fact that I have SJS if and when I am really suffering from it's  pressing affects. Though I have had to slow down some I try to live my life to the fullest when I can even if I have to force myself some. Though I hurt somewhere everyday, I have a hard time viewing myself as a "sick" person, I just have some issues! So when I wrote this it was one of those times I forgot that they may view me as a risk! I am 46 years old, but yes I do very much think of myself as still being young. Though I was dx about 20 years ago I am just now really having to face up to it, before I REFUSED to acknowledge it for what it is, had too much to do, too much living. As long as I could ignore it I did! So yes I do now need to come to terms with how others may view me. Saying this kind of helps me to understand how my husband may think about going to doctors, after all who wants life to slow down to deal with something wrong with them? NOBODY!!
Thanks for reality check! ;) :)

Peace & Be Blessed!
Bernice
Bernice
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: eyeamdry on July 26, 2009, 05:04:31 PM
Yes, Bernice, just a reminder to people to not be too hasty when cancelling any insurance.  This would include life insurance, health insurance, accidental death insurance, etc.

My daughter has been a Type I diabetic since she was 27 and she is now 41.  She just lost her job and is on COBRA.  She is single, so there is no husband's insurance to go to.  No one will likely take her with already high expenses.  There is more wrong than just the diabetes.  We will try and help out to make sure she isn't without coverage.

When she was 18, she went off our life insurance policy.  I kept a 10,000 policy on her.  I have always paid it.  With the health problems she has had, life insurance would be very costly for her.  Fortunately, she doesn't need much.  If she would pre-decease us, just funeral expenses would be all we'd need. 

Not too long ago, my husband and i did cancel our life insurance.  We had it for several decades.  It was getting so the monthly premium was just too high.  We don't need insurance if we die.  We have out plots already and enough $$ to pay funeral expenses.  That was probably a good decision to cancel insurance.  Always think carefully.  When you're "down and out" no one will pick you up.  Lucy
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Bernice on July 26, 2009, 08:01:29 PM
Lucy,

What's been said is very true!

It makes me think about all the people that say that they are wanting to be diagnosed, while on the one hand I clearly understand wanting to know what is going on with themselves and while this should not stop anyone from seeking medical care, I do believe it does. I think, many not necessarily those suspected of having SJS, but a number of other illness considered high risk, wait to be diagnosis until after they have insurance because they know they may not be insured after the diagnosis.

Young ones as well as others not able to afford insurance at the moment because other things such as bills are pressing them at the time, they wait!

I am always sadden to hear that someone so young such as your daughter is going through such as she is, but I am so very glad that she has parents to be there for her. I'm sure this means so much to her.

Thank you for your reply.
Peace & Be Blessed
Bernice
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: eyeamdry on July 26, 2009, 10:00:59 PM
Quote
It makes me think about all the people that say that they are wanting to be diagnosed, while on the one hand I clearly understand wanting to know what is going on with themselves and while this should not stop anyone from seeking medical care, I do believe it does. I think, many not necessarily those suspected of having SJS, but a number of other illness considered high risk, wait to be diagnosis until after they have insurance because they know they may not be insured after the diagnosis.

As a two year cancer survivor, whatever the case, "waiting" for a cancer diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.  I know this happens, but unfortunately we all have to live with our own choices, even if we don't have any.  I'm done on here.  Lucy
Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Epson on July 27, 2009, 10:24:43 AM
I have really enjoyed reading the posts on this subject, how many of you know who Wendell Potter is?  Well you should. Most of you have heard of Michael Moore who made the movie Sicko, which shows our healthcare system and compares it to the National Healthcare systems of the world, you know those Socialist countries.  If you haven't heard of either, you shouldn't be formulating an opinion on healthcare yet.  Wedell is a Whistle Blower and we need more of them in this country.

Wendell Potter, former Head of Corporate Communications at CIGNA (which provides health insurance to nearly 70 percent of the Fortune 100 companies) admits that, in fact, "Sicko" "hit the nail on the head" and told the real truth about how much better people in other countries have it when it comes to their health care. Yes he was a big wig for one of the largest insurance companies in this country and you can hear him on You Tube or read articles about him by doing a Google, Yahoo or Bing search, the story was in papers across the country and appeared on PBS.  This is a link to the interview with Wendell potter, a must for all to see, no matter what side of the fence your on www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html.

I don't think you have to worry about much change in the present system until we have a complete melt down, that's the way we function in this country, just look at the economy melt down, Katrina or 911, unfortunately we don't make the best decisions in the middle of a crisis.

Title: Re: US Health Care Bill
Post by: Epson on July 28, 2009, 07:06:08 AM
The health sector spent 1.4 million dollars a day in the first three months of the year on lobbying congress, no wonder health premiums are sky high.